Bill: Guarantee--100%--you've got Pauline Kael mixed up with someone else. She didn't write for the Voice, just the New Yorker from '67 on, and it's inconceivable she'd ever do such a thing. For me, in terms of film critics, you're half-Kael and half-Manny Farber, in all the best ways--stubbornly anti-consensus, impatient with clichés and pseudo-scholarship and received wisdom, a little ornery, and sometimes just plain stubborn. Politically? Here's something Kael wrote about Michael Moore's Roger & Me: "He does something that is humanly very offensive: Roger & Me uses its leftism as a superior attitude. Members of the audience can laugh at ordinary working people and still feel that they're taking a politically correct position." You've both had a tremendous influence on me.
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 6/15/2014
I'll take your word for it. Thanks.
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Bill: In trying to explain, on a message board, why I thought Adrian Beltre would have an easier time with HOF voters than Scott Rolen, one of the reasons I cited was that Rolen’s career was more fragmented--i.e., more characterized by noticeable year-to-year fluctuations. (Beltre had his mid-career downtime, but he’s been pretty steady since leaving Seattle.) Has that in fact made much difference with HOF voters historically? If you had two players with very similar numbers, and one achieved them via a fairly steady career, while the other player was more mercurial, would that matter?
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 7/19/2014
Those are better questions for research than for speculation. I tend to agree that Beltre will have an easier Hall of Fame battle than Rolen, but I'm not sure why this is true. The public just never really "got" the fact that Rolen was a Hall of Fame caliber player, even though he was. Some of it is image. Rolen had battles with his managers in at least two cities, which tended to shape his image. Beltre, on the other hand, is an interesting, cheerful, person….oddly combining "highly competitive" with "friendly", which not many people can do…and I think there is more understanding of the fact that he's a tremendous player, although I'm not really sure he is better than Rolen.
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Bill: I’ve developed a fascination for the ‘92 Jays that mirrors yours for the ‘66 Cubs--for me, they had the deepest staff of the post-war era, based on career accomplishments (as opposed to what they did that season). I used the yardstick of All-Star-type seasons accumulated over a career--and just because it was easy, I counted any season of 4.0+ WAR as an All-Star season:
https://phildellio.blogspot.com/2026/03/crossroads-2013.html
I was curious how the ‘66 Cubs would come out using this method, and they indeed do very well--possibly the third-highest figure in the modern era, with a total of 37 All-Star-caliber seasons on their staff, just behind the ‘92 Jays and ‘03 Yankees, but ahead of the ‘95 Braves and ‘66 Dodgers. Using career wins, the Cubs come out on top 2,117 to 1,870--although the Jays had a higher career average per pitcher, 110 to 92. (In the course of doing this, I’ve discovered my new favorite cruel nickname from the ‘60s: Chuck “Twiggy” Hartenstein, 5’11” and 165 lbs.)
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 8/6/2014
A similar fascination with the pitching staff of the 1972-74 Oakland A's. They had four starting pitchers, two left-handed, two right-handed, all of them good (Catfish Hunter and Blue Moon Odom right-handed, Ken Holtzman and Vida Blue left-handed. Blue Moon had a bad year.) They had two very good fifth starters/long relievers, one right-handed (Glenn Abbott) and one left-handed (Dave Hamilton). They had a Hall of Fame closer (Fingers), backed by a very good lefties (Darold Knowles and Paul Lindblad). One of the lefty relievers should have been right-handed, but otherwise…the perfect 9-man staff in the era in which the 9-man staff was the norm.
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Bill: This one's harder to explain--and therefore may be viewed skeptically by you and/or your readers--but Toronto's acquisition of David Cone in late August of '92 was huge. Cone pitched very well down the stretch--2.55 ERA, 6.6 hits and 8 Ks per 9--but only had a 4-3 record to show for it. What the trade meant to a team that had come so close so many times in the previous few years, though, was huge; I remember it kind of shocked the baseball world, and there was no mistaking that the Jays wanted to win badly that year. Postscript: the "player to be named later" given up by Toronto was Jeff Kent. I'm not sure there was a future for him in Toronto anyway (Alomar), and he still needed to pass through a couple more teams before finding his way.
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 10/24/2014
Thanks.
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Bill: I can’t quite find it, but I’m positive you had something in the ’83 or ’84 Abstract that suggested in a close MVP vote--specifically, Murray/Ripken--it was reasonable to give the established star who was expected to do what he did, as opposed to the player who was more of a surprise, a little extra credit. It always stuck in my mind, and with Cabrera/Trout in 2012, I thought Cabrera deserved a little extra credit for that same reason. I’d apply the same principle to Felix/Kluber this year--a little extra credit to Felix for the Cy Young. Do you still think this idea has validity?
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 10/2/2014
I can't figure out what you're referencing. Anybody know what argument he's referring to?
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Bill: a comment, not a question. I'm in the middle of a very good book on the Gary Hart scandal, Matt Bai's All the Truth Is Out, that over and over makes essentially the same point as you: that Hart didn't do anything new, it's that conditions had changed. The biggest change--and I don't know how often this applies to other political scandals--was the media landscape. Hart's scandal happened at the dawn of CNN, tabloid shows like A Current Affair, and fax machines. It was less a sea-change in morality (although that figured in too by way of Watergate's shadow) than a technological shift.
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 12/27/2014
Thanks.
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Bill -- I have to chime in on the Hank Snow symposium: Haven Hamilton, the character Henry Gibson plays in Robert Altman's Nashville (a movie I suspect you hate, if you've seen it), is supposedly based on Hank Snow, or is at least a mix of Snow and a couple of other country stars.
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 2/27/2015
I liked the music. I liked Robert Altman for a while, then--from my standpoint--he got carried away with the notion that he was a genius, and kind of went 'round the bend.
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Bill: Your comments on Boyhood and Citizen Kane (I registered my surprise and strong disagreement in the comments section) reminded me of something the music writer Greil Marcus said in an online Q&A a few years ago: "I've never known anything that people otherwise seemingly in sympathy disagree about more predictably than movies. That's what movies are for--for people who think they understand each other to disagree about."
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 2/3/2015
Well, but my post was provoked by what I thought was grossly excessive AGREEMENT about this issue--and about Citizen Kane. First of all, I think it's a bad movie (Boyhood); Citizen Kane is a good movie, it's just horribly overrated. Let'’s take Marcus' adage to be true; what then does it tell us if EVERYBODY starts registering their agreement on an issue about which there is no perfectly objective truth, and about which people normally disagree? It tells us, I would suggest, that those let's-all-fall-in-line comments are not genuine reactions; they're rather a part of an emperor's-new- clothes syndrome, in which large numbers of people all agree that they see something that isn't there in fact. That was my objection to the universal adulation for Citizen Kane, that when everybody and his goddamned brother starts telling us that Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever made, it is time for some quiet, humble citizen to raise his hand and say, "Uh, wait; I think I see the emperor's pee-pee hanging out." And the same with Boyhood; there are too many people, too many critics, saying the SAME things about Boyhood; they all love it. It's time for somebody to stand up and say, "you guys are full of shit. That's a stark naked emperor there."
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Bill: While checking a comment made by someone else on a message board last year, I quickly calculated the percentage of walks that were intentional among all the 500-HR guys. Pujols' rate was very high: almost 26% of his career walks were intentional, third on the list after Banks and Bonds. (Banks was somewhat of a surprise, but, as someone suggested, he played for some poor teams early in his career, and didn't walk a lot otherwise, pushing his percentage up.) Anyway, that's clearly a big factor in Pujols' declining walk rate--he's just not as feared anymore, so he doesn't get the IBB. He had a six-year run in the 2000s where he was getting 27-44 IBB a year; the last four seasons he received 15, 16, 8, and 11, and this year he's down to 2 so far.
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 6/15/2015
Thanks.
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Bill: I read Jeff Guinn's Manson book a couple of years ago and also thought it was fantastic. "He de-mystifies Charles Manson by tying him to a calendar, to a locale, to his birth family, to a personal history, to habits and tactics and to outside events"--that was the key for me, how Guinn framed the story in terms of the world out there, the way Manson kind of floated through the mid- and late-'60s as these incredible events unfolded around him. I though Guinn was even sometimes able to sketch Manson as this weird mirror to people like Nixon or William Calley, and do so in a way that did not seem glib or gimmicky. I hope someone takes the book and tries to make another film, but this time something really thoughtful and non-sensational (Helter Skelter's okay for what it is, but it's still basically a mid-'70s movie-of-the-week). I imagine there are a lot of obstacles to that in terms of surviving family members, the Tates especially.
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 7/31/2015
Buddy of mine with the Red Sox is reading it now and is annoyed by all the stuff on LSD in the 60s. He's too young to remember it, so it doesn't mean anything to him…Thanks.
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Bill: When you do get a left fielder who by all accounts and all measures is a really great fielder--Bonds and Yaz are the first two who come to mind--is it a fair assumption that it's his arm that's keeping him out of center or right? Or is it just a case-by-case thing, like maybe there's an even better fielder playing alongside him?
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 7/22/2015
I would say it is case by case. Yaz kind of went to left field because he was designated as the successor to Ted Williams. Greg Luzinski went to left because you had to put him somewhere.
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Bill: Is it possible Edwin Encarnacion isn't in your hot-batters system, or that there's a glitch somewhere? His last 19 games, he's .389/.440/.944 with 10 HR and 10 doubles, yet he doesn't appear in the Top 100. Now, I've included yesterday's huge game, and your rankings are only through Friday's games, but even before yesterday he was working on a 20+-game hitting streak with a ton of extra-base hits.
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 8/31/2015
I'll ask the wizards about it…Later. We did have a glitch in the data; Encarnacion should have been at or near the top of the Hot Hitters list. Thank you for calling this to our attention.
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Bill: I’m not asking for your own thoughts on this matter--I realize you’re far too close to the situation to comment. But do you see David Ortiz’s HOF candidacy as potentially the most heavily debated since Morris’s? I was thinking that all the arguments that will be advanced, both for and against him, are exactly the same things that people already get into the most heated arguments about: clutch hitting, the continued relevancy of time-honored milestones like 500 HR (or, more generally, “counting stats”--a term I personally hate), leadership/intangibles, PEDs (however murky Ortiz’s connection is--not even clear to me), the DH. I think it’ll be like the Cabrera/Trout MVP discussion of a few years ago (“discussion”--people yelling at each other, really), a perfect storm of lots of things on everybody’s mind.
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 9/21/2015
Well, ya never know. But my first guess would be that he will be elected fairly quickly and easily.
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I'm one of those people who had my head completely turned around by my first encounter with the Abstract ('83--I was a little late). To me, the very foundation of sabermetrics is Question Everything, especially conventional/received wisdom. My biggest issue with some of the people on a message board I'm on--younger people in their 20s and 30s (I'm 54) who came up through sabermetrics and lean heavily on newer metrics--is that it sometimes seems as if they've replaced the old checklist of conventional wisdom with their own newer checklist. I've nicknamed them the "RBI, LOL" branch of baseball analysis. You can't have a discussion on why there might have been at least a case for Cabrera as the 2012 MVP; Trout's WAR was significantly higher, end of discussion. I've always appreciated that you, Posnanski, Rob Neyer, and others are regularly questioning your own assumptions (Posnanski's recent column on why Ned Yost should have been manager of the year a perfect example).
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 11/28/2015
Yes, it is true (I think) that some people in our field have merely replaced one checklist of assumptions with another one, and also that the new checklist is little if any better than the old one. This actually is relevant to what I was trying to say before, that if I was writing an intro to sabermetrics I would start by trying to explain that it is supposed to be a search for better understanding, rather than set of methods or conclusions.
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Bill: The Dylan quote about Harry Truman sent in by wwiyw is one of my favourite ever--that whole '66 interview is incredible. When Playboy interviewed Dylan in '78, he had altered his view of Truman considerably: "Actually, as Presidents go, I liked Truman...I just liked the way he acted and things he said and who he said them to. He had a common sense about him, which is rare for a President. Maybe in the old days it wasn't so rare, but nowadays it's rare. He had a common quality. You felt like you could talk to him." Pretty stark disconnect there that people will see differently: softening with age and gaining some perspective, or simply forgetting what he once knew.
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 11/25/2015
1978 was the crest of the "Harry Truman's face should be carved onto the moon" nonsense.
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Bill: Someone posted this on my message board yesterday: “I really hate everything about this process. It gets everyone moralizing and grandstanding, it leaves righteous candidates hanging for years and it makes perfectly good ballplayers like Alan Trammell seem like failures because they lose every year for 15 years or, like Edmonds/Lofton/Delgado, get knocked out on the first try.” I think you’ve made the same point yourself, the unfortunate move towards the HOF as the be-all and end-all when remembering players from the past. What brought this on? Three guesses: 1) The card boom of the late-‘80s (HOF = $, for both the players and collectors; 2) sabermetrics (old school vs. new school distrust, vociferous advocacy, etc...not a knock on sabermetrics--I’m here, right?); 3) the internet, which has a way of degrading everything. By the way, as someone who collected cards for a time, I definitely plead guilty to #1--HOF potential became my filter for who I'd collect. Any thoughts?
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 1/12/2016
The process becomes tiresome. It would be a good thing if someone were to start a "rival baseball museum" dedicated to the memories of Minnie Minoso, Stan Hack, Dwight Evans, Mike Garcia and Carl Furillo, but for something like that to work you have to be serious about it. You have to devote a lifetime to making it work, and you have to make good decisions in setting it up. We've only got shovel apiece, so it just hasn't been done yet.
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Bill -- In response to 337's question: the most obvious example happened fairly recently, when Josh Hamilton won an MVP even though his season essentially ended on Sept. 4. (He came back and played three inconsequential games on Oct. 1/2/3--the Rangers were 10.0 up.) I also thought of Jeff Bagwell, whose '94 MVP season ended (broken wrist) the same day as the strike. His stats were awesome when the season shut down, but I imagine Matt Williams or Fred McGriff or maybe even Greg Maddux would have passed him had it been played out.
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 2/12/2016
Thanks.
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Bill -- Showed this clip to my grade 6 class a couple of days ago, on Jackie Robinson's birthday: Jackie on What's My Line?, with Bert Convoy on the panel (who briefly and self-deprecatingly mentions his baseball career).
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 2/3/2016
I can't believe we're talking about Bert Convy. I actually came by this information honestly; I was going by a 1950s Sporting News Guide page by page and found his name. I sort of collect the names of people who played minor league baseball but are known for something else, like Dwight Eisenhower, Mario Cuomo, John Elway and that basketball player guy…can't remember his name.
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Bill: Was there ever a point in his career where Milt Pappas (who died today) was thought to be on track for the Hall of Fame? Thinking about how central wins were to evaluating pitchers then, I notice he had won 40 games by the time he was 21, 150 before the age of 30, and then, after a brief lull, he came back to win 17 twice more in his early 30s. He retired at 34 with 209 wins; feels like he had a decent shot at 300, which almost certainly would have put him in the HOF.
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 4/20/2016
Oh, I hadn't heard about his passing; sorry to hear. Pappas self-advocated avidly the position that he should be in the Hall of Fame, and in particular would compare his own record to Don Drysdale's. Pappas was 209-164 (won-lost), and Drysdale was 209-166. I think there was a third pitcher in there, too…somebody else in his generation who had a similar record. But no; other than Pappas himself, nobody ever suggested that he was a Hall of Famer. He was always a #2 starter.
Pappas was a real character; hope that I am not speaking disrepectfully of him at the moment of his passing. Whenever his manager was fired, Pappas would apply publicly for the position of the team's new manager, and would call the local reporters on the phone to lay out his credentials for the position. This was done in the same spirit as his later claims that he should be in the Hall of Fame; nobody was ever entirely sure how serious he was about it, although it was always clear that he wasn't going to be hired as the new manager. For years and years, he would periodically claim that his real name was… I am probably misspelling this… but he would claim that his real name was Miltarego Pappdiego, Greek, and that he had just shortened it to Milt Pappas for his baseball career. Just making it up, but he stuck with it for years. He had other stories like that; he liked to pull the reporters' legs.
As you may know…I don't know what is in the obituaries… but Pappas was suspected for more than 20 years (as I recall) of murdering his wife. His wife disappeared, just vanished; police suspected that he had murdered her. That REALLY obstructed any possible Hall of Fame campaign for him; you couldn't get a bandwagon rolling for somebody who was under a cloud of suspicion in that way. Finally, many years after she vanished, they drained a lake a few blocks from his house, or a large pond, or a drought dropped the water level…something. Anyway, they found her body in the car with the seat belt fastened. She drank a lot, and she had just taken a wrong turn and driven into the lake, apparently (from the position of the vehicle) at a pretty good rate of speed. She may have passed out before she went in the water, since she had never unfastened her seatbelt.
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Bill: Just a comment...I had no interest in the TV O.J. reenactment, but I highly recommend the almost-eight-hour documentary O.J.: Made in America. I think it'll be on ESPN at some point in the next few months--I just saw it at the Toronto Hot Docs festival. It deals with the minutiae of the case for about three-four hours, but it also steps back and looks at the 30-year backdrop that led up to the verdict (Watts, John Carlos, etc.). Gil Garcetti was there for a Q&A after the screening I was at, also Robert Lipsyte.
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 5/3/2016
While one channel was doing the OJ re-enactment, some other channel was showing a long documentary about the OJ trial…several episodes, but I didn't really focus. Was that the same thing?
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Bill: "Some other channel was showing a long documentary about the OJ trial...Was that the same thing?" I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been--O.J.: Made in America is playing festivals before it plays ESPN. The thing this film does is take what became a big cultural joke at a certain point--Kato Kaelin, Jay Leno's "Ito Dancers," Top Ten Lists, etc.--and revisits how really grim and stunning and tragic the story was initially. And it unpacks so much history. Early on, you see a photo of O.J. and Nixon; late in the film, O.J. and Trump.
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 5/5/2016
Sounds like something I would hate, honestly. I KNOW how grim it was; I don't need to be educated about that.
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Bill: 99.9% sounds about right: the 7-HR loss has happened twice before, in 1995 and 2004, both times the Tigers being the losing team.
https://www.baseball-almanac.com/box-scores/boxscore.php?boxid=200408080DET
One of the things that went wrong with the White Sox yesterday, or at least went weird, was that all seven of their HR came with the bases empty.
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 6/27/2016
Still, 81-3 isn't 99.9%, or even 99%. I'd have to think even three losses in those games were kind of flukish.
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Bill: The short/tall pitcher discussion has been going on in Toronto recently because of Marcus Stroman's recent bumpy stretch. (His first as a Jay, probably, in his interrupted time here.) Gregg Zaun--very much a "Here's the answer, now I'll tell you what the question was" kind of analyst (i.e., he often drives me up the wall)--talks a lot about it being much easier to hit off shorter pitchers because the ball comes in on a much flatter plane than with a tall pitcher. I'm inclined to agree with Zaun here, although I have no idea if he's just making stuff up. (He says he used to go to town on shorter pitchers...if i get ambitious enough, I'd like to dive into Baseball Reference and see if that's true.)
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 6/18/2016
I'm SURE you could convince him to stop saying it if it isn't…
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Bill: Politics and baseball...I’m 100 pages into Ed Sanders’ biography of Sharon Tate, published last year. Something I’d never come across before: in Robert Kennedy’s last speech inside the Ambassador Hotel, moments before he was assassinated, he mentioned Don Drysdale’s ongoing scoreless streak. "He pitched his sixth straight shutout tonight, and I hope we have as good fortune in our campaign." I’ve seen video of that speech a million times, but you only ever get the very end of it ("...on to Chicago and let’s win there"). Kind of chilling.
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 7/29/2016
Thanks.
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Bill: You’ve written many times about certain seasons that fascinate you for one reason or another. For me, it’s 1970, the year I became a fan and bought my first Zander Hollander guide. I bring this up because Jim Hickman died a couple of weeks ago. His was probably the best out of a whole raft of outlier career years in the NL: .315/.419/.582, 32 HR, 115 RBI. Bob Bailey: .287/.507/.597, 28 HR. Dick Dietz: .300/.426/.515, 22 HR, 107 RBI. Bernie Carbo: .310/.454/.551, 21 HR off the bench. Wes Parker: .319, 47 doubles, 111 RBI. Cito Gaston: .318, 29 HR, 93 RBI. On and on and on, guys who mostly had ordinary career numbers otherwise. NL teams scored 4.05 RPG in 1969, 4.52 in 1970, and 3.91 in 1971. What on earth happened that year?
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 7/11/2016
Juan Marichal got hurt? That's the Dick Young theory; good hitting can always be explained as merely bad pitching, and vice versa. For the last 25 years of his career, if stolen bases increased, Dick Young would explain that it was just that there were no good catchers anymore. If home runs increased, it was the fault of the slider, too many pitchers throwing them useless sliders that get hit out of the park. There was really no good baseball after Roy Campanella got hurt…
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Bill: "Well, we should at least note in passing that Dylan has a pathological hatred of his songs being interpreted as political messages, and has expressed this dozens of times over a 50-year period."
Most brilliantly in Nat Hentoff's famous Playboy interview from 1966 (responding to the question, "You've said you think message songs are vulgar. Why?"): "...you've got to respect other people's right to also have a message themselves. Myself, what I'm going to do is rent Town Hall and put about 30 Western Union boys on the bill. I mean, then there'll really be some messages. People will be able to come and hear more messages than they've ever heard before in their life."
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 8/4/2016
Thanks.
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Bill: Something we're kicking around on another message board: Bryce Harper's season. Is there any kind of a precedent for a player following up an historically great year like he had last year with a season as sub-mediocre as where he's at now? (A player heading into what should be his prime years, that is.) Is this just a fluke? He's walking just as much, and striking out even less than in 2015. Is it even worth discussing with two months still to play?
Asked by: Phil Dellio
Answered: 8/2/2016
It is unusual for a player's batting average to slide 100 points in a season with no real change in his strikeout, walk and power data. The only REAL parallel--you may not want to hear this--but the only REAL parallel is Norm Cash in '61 and '62. Cash after his "fluke" year in 1961 had basically the same strikeout rate, the same home run rate, nearly the same doubles rate, essentially the same walk rate, down a little, but basically the same underlying stats in '62 that he had in '61, except that his batting average dropped 118 points because the balls weren't finding holes all of a sudden. Darin Erstad had a massive dropoff between 2000 and 2001; of course, that's the steroid era, so you never know what's going on there; may just have been a luck gap. Red Rolfe had a massive decline between 1938 and 1939. Mickey Vernon dropped off about 100 points after what could have been an MVP season in 1946, although it wasn't; Vernon confessed years later that he had caught a fish hook in his back and injured his back, didn't tell anyone about it and played through the injury, which slowed him down for years. Adrian Beltre had a massive decline between 2004 and 2005, but he was in a new park and a new league and his strikeout/walk ratio backed up some, so that is less puzzling, and of course there are some older players who have had similar declines, like Earl Averill from 1936-1937.
In terms of following up an MVP season with a disappointing campaign, Roy Campanella did that two or three times, but that's explained by "catcher's injuries"…foul balls off his hands. Zoilo Versalles, of course, completely disintegrated following his MVP season in 1965, and his strikeout/walk ratio actually IMPROVED while his career was degenerating; I don't think we know yet what happened to him. Jeff Burroughs fell off a table after an MVP season at age 23, but his strikeout numbers went way up.